Clan of Zork

Guys don't you think we should form an alliance with the COZ again? With terms both clan should follow (of course) like no trying to recruit members from eachother's clan. Post comments here please I wanna know what you guys think! Do you think Gomer Sting would do an alliance?

From your BGL Overseer, 'RoYALe

I don't have any spies in the CoZ. None. So I'm not sure what they're saying about us, however given my experience with people like eb...well I don't think he thinks to kindly about us. If he was willing to do any kind of truce it would cost us highly, and that isn't necessarily a physical price like items or coconuts. It would probably be a shot to the pride of the BGL. He could possibly ask us to call ourselves pitiful in our motto and description.

Given that I don't see them admitting that they are being unreasonable/ in character I hope. It looks like they are really holding a grudge about the early accusations against them. I would like to know what they have to say, but I really don't feel like going to their forum to find out. I might not even like what I find there.

I had a spy but he quit on us and joined the clan, P. It was R.G he was still with us but he had ways of getting information. He never told me how though.

Scratch that, he's now with the Old Guard.

'RoYALe wrote:

Scratch that, he's now with the Old Guard.

I don't think R.G. knows where he wants to be.

I thought the whole reason the war had started was because we had shot up the clan rankings faster then they did and overtook them in the course have 3 days? I assume this because i was invited to the clan and their cornerstone was that they had a better armory than us.

Zxaiver wrote:

I thought the whole reason the war had started was because we had shot up the clan rankings faster then they did and overtook them in the course have 3 days? I assume this because i was invited to the clan and their cornerstone was that they had a better armory than us.

Actually I think it was because we kicked their ambassador out who's job was to make an alliance. But he tried to smuggle members from our clan to the Clan of Zork. You would think we dclared the war though wouldn't you? They declared war upon us, for what I still wonder. It was just said they thought us as a threat. But a threat to what? Their clan? I wonder...

I'm sure it was supposed to be viewed as a threat to their status in the clan ranking XD. But with a name and Description like ours its no wonder how we flew up the listing.

When I feel like typing out a wall of text I'll give you guys a non biased reason for the wars start.

Non biased as in how it looks from an outside perspective.

are you qualified to give that perspective?

Sweetpurchase wrote:

are you qualified to give that perspective?

I was a new recruit when this started, and nowhere near Leader status. I scoped out the conflict to see which side I should be one. I stayed, but that was because I got to know Dave.

In short, yes I am very qualified.

Ginzaki wrote:

'RoYALe wrote:

Scratch that, he's now with the Old Guard.

I don't think R.G. knows where he wants to be.

Yes... I wonder what he's doing? But I really think the switching clan thing is done. He'll stay in the Old Guard I bet...

'RoYALe wrote:

Ginzaki wrote:

'RoYALe wrote:

Scratch that, he's now with the Old Guard.

I don't think R.G. knows where he wants to be.

Yes... I wonder what he's doing? But I really think the switching clan thing is done. He'll stay in the Old Guard I bet...

He might just be like New Recruit. Hopping from clan to clan and never really settling down. Though if his messages are a link to anything R.G might stay with the Old Guard because of their impressive armory, and size.

I could chime in on this :-) Here's my two cents on where the CoZ - BGL conflict came from.

I initially had posted the idea on the forums of a 'Clan Open House'.

The general idea was to see if we could work with another clan. They could help us with weapons and any info they thought would be helpful, and we would allow them to post a message on our message board letting our beginners know what they could offer them. This was a very rough idea and never really came to fruition.

I heard from two clan leaders about it. Ember (The Old Guard) didn't see a need for it (and in her position, I wouldn't see a need for it either). Razmear/Gomer Sting/eb (Clan of Zork) was very interested. We exchanged clan ambassadors... an alt of mine went to CoZ, and an alt of hers came to The BGL.

I introduced her alt to our clan and made sure to send her several messages a week about what the clan leadership was doing. I definitely wanted to keep an open channel of communication with her, and with the other clan leaders that I was trying to establish relationships. At that point, Razmear was being quite friendly. I got the feeling that it was her hope that The BGL would merge with the CoZ (something we never agreed to). She seems to be a very competitive person and was seeing a lot of clans around the CoZ rapidly gaining members... so I'm sure snagging The BGL would have been a mighty victory for the CoZ on the leaderboard.

Then the First Council of The BGL was formed and met (online). Seeing that there were other members who had an interest in carrying on the vision and mission of The BGL, and that they were in favor of carrying on that mission as The BGL, I let Razmear know the direction our clan was going and that we didn't have any plans to merge into the CoZ. As far as I knew, we were still in a friendly alliance, and her alt remained in our clan.

Around this time (I didn't notice until later), Razmear posted a thread on the Forums called "The Peril of joining 'Hollow Clans'", which pretty much called all of the growing new clans hollow. It was also around this time that the Forsaken clan leaders (who responded to this thread) approached me about merging into our clan. We welcomed Forsaken into our clan (except for the 805 of them who are still left behind).

Then I noticed some of our new members were receiving invitation messages from Razmear which pretty much bashed The BGL and told them to join the CoZ instead. I also heard of BGL members being attacked from CoZ members in the arena. As far as I knew, we were still in an alliance with the CoZ when this started. I immediately contacted her and asked her if we had done anything to offend her or strain the relationship between our clans. The email ended with me writing this paragraph:

"Again, I hope that we haven't offended your clan, as our goal is not to create conflict and tension with other clans, but to form alliances and do all we can that is for the best of all of Zork. If our friendly relationship is at an end, I do hope you will announce it openly, and hopefully with reasons to help me understand your recent behavior. " The entire email is available per request. I never received a response back.

Following this chain of events, my best guess is that Razmear was really banking on us merging with them and when we didn't AND Forsaken merged with us... well, I think she felt betrayed. She also has a different philosophy on how a clan should be run and what constitutes helping a player, and I'm sure she didn't think a 'hollow clan' could actually help anyone, and didn't like a 'hollow clan' being ranked higher than hers. I can understand this, although I don't approve of her response to this. A covert mission of attacking our members and inviting our newest members to join the CoZ (while insulting us) began under the umbrella of our alliance.

Things just got silly after that. I took down our initial recruiting thread on the Forum, which they had bombarded with insults. I decided to refrain from typing on the Forum so as to not legitimize their posts or add more fuel to the fire (which I'll admit, I had been tempted into doing before). I broke this Forum 'vacation' only to 1) contact LoZ people 24 hours before Chronik ditched the clan about our suspected worries, and 2) to contact LoZ people about what Chronik did the next night.

That was the most tumultuous night in clan history as I just envisioned the clan being disbanded when it was given to level 1 jditty, but we lucked out (losing the clan coconuts was pretty trivial compared to what could have happened). The title of my forum post that night was rash (and I apologized for it 90 minutes after posting it), but it was the first thing that got any results from all of my messages to LoZ staff, as I suspect they did suspend Chronik's account for a while (his characters disappeared from the game for a bit)... so I can't say that I'm sorry for typing it to get some action for the clan on it's most precarious night. After clan leadership was restored to me, I took all of my conversations on the Forum through private messages to the moderators, and haven't posted on the Forums since that day.

I will say that any transgression, whether real or imagined or made up, made by The BGL towards the CoZ has been apologized for by our clan leadership. We haven't received, and I don't expect to receive, an apology from the CoZ.

We are not at war with the CoZ. This would neither serve our purpose or mission. But we're honored that one of the older clans in the game saw us as a legitimate threat to them enough to declare war on us only a month after we were created. It is my hope that eventually, cooler heads will prevail and, if not a friendship, a peaceful mutual existence between our two clans will exist. I believe Ginzaki is the type of leader who can help make this happen while still dedicating time to our purpose and mission.

Long live The BGL!

~BGL Dave

Very well said Dave. The only thing I regret about our history with the CoZ is the wrongly named topics. Other than that everything has played out as can only be expected. The CoZ will tire of their game eventually. They are bullying us. I was bullied as a child. However I am a stoic in appearance and outwardly attitude. I bring this to the table to show the CoZ what I showed the bullies of my youth. I'm not afraid, threatened, amused, nor hurt by what they do. If we all take this attitude towards them then they will lose their interest in us.